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It's official - I suffer from an addiction.  I need to cut myself off from Daley's fruit nursery site.  I have just added to my growing fruit list

a) 10 x sugar baby and 10 x redlands joy strawberries

b) a red Muscadine grape (Noble) to match my green muscadine (adonis)

c) Keriberry to add to my raspberry collection (Heritage, bicentennial & atherton)

d) Walnut - Placentia.  Apparently low chill to fruit in subtropics.  This is on the "notify me" list.  This will also end up outside the yard in the park behind my place with the soshanii pecan

e) Low chill cherry tree - this I bought ages ago but still waiting on delivery (due jun/july)

To top matters off - I just recently discovered they have an advanced tree section.  Dammit - They have a mature Jaboticaba and Grumichama.  It would have been worth the extra money and the trip to the nursery for those if I hadn't already bought them.  I'm going to keep an eye out for a mature Jackfruit - the one tree I promised my husband we would grow.

Seriously people - I have NO space left.  What am I going to do? 

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Comment by Elaine de Saxe on May 1, 2015 at 12:42

Thanks Florence. A lifetime's study!

Comment by Dianne Caswell on May 1, 2015 at 10:48

This is the time on the 1st 2nd & 3rd to trim/Prune all Fruit Trees etc.  to retard growth, so all you Moon Gardeners get out there in the rain and you will have your dwarf trees with lots of fruit.

Comment by Florence on May 1, 2015 at 10:12

@Elaine, I don't think you can translate penjing into English, since it is English, much like Tsunami and bonsai with Chinese original instead and lesser known.  So wiki would be better

@Susan, thanks, I know it would be more work, but I also have fruit trees addiction but no land ^^ That would probably be my only option.  In regards to bonsai you bought before, if you bought them as bonsai from shopping centres, or even the big sheds from what I read, they're unlikely to survive for long, so I don't think it's your fault they died...

@Andy, I did have a mango given to me as a cutting fruit in pot this year, only gave me two small fruits but happy since it was severely neglected like my other trees.. Here's my post and a couple of mango bonsai pics from the Internet ..kekeke *evil grin*

Comment by Dianne Caswell on April 30, 2015 at 6:18

We have been to a couple bonsai gardens in Japan and some of the trees are said to be a thousand years old, they do take a bit of looking after as you need to prune the top and the bottom but grow them in the same situation they would grow in in nature. Only bringing them in for very short times. Some of these trees were huge and certainly in the size pots we would want to put our fruit trees into. They are certainly impressive. Food for thought.....

Comment by Andrew Cumberland on April 29, 2015 at 22:17

No Andy... stop thinking about how many bonsai trees you could fit on the Manor.  Oh Florence - you evil woman!  (She got me on the Bonsai Mango). 

Comment by Elaine de Saxe on April 29, 2015 at 21:06

Bonsai are strictly outdoor plants! Unless you miniaturised a shade-loving tree (eg a rainforest tree) then it would be OK to bring indoors. All a Bonsai is - is a tiny version of a tree which would grow in the great outdoors.

Comment by Roger Clark on April 29, 2015 at 19:34

I grow some fruit in pots, and most are very successful. My top trees in pots are Avocados, all are growing well, Figs, I am growing White Adriatic, Brown Turkey, and Conadria. The WA are all in pots and fruit very well. Blueberries, these are growing and fruiting well. You can control the acidic growing conditions needed for these far easier in pots than in the ground, and cover them against birds, etc., easier. My main trouble with trees in the ground is that my soil is not very deep, and when we go away in summer we always seem to get a very hot spell, I've had a lot of trees die at these times, as its difficult to get someone to drag hoses to all parts of the garden to water everything. Pots can all be put together in one area which means its easy to water these. My mix for the pots is usually good potting mix with composted horse manure and some water holding material like coir or mushroom compost added. I try to transplant into bigger pots as trees get bigger, but there is a finite size for everything. Haven't tried root trimming yet but will prune quite vigorously where trees are getting large. I am also trying to grow in old cut down wheelie bins. Have a fig and an avocado growing this way.

Comment by Susan on April 29, 2015 at 17:43

Good luck with that Florence, I bet you'll find a way to make it work :)  Not me though.  When I lived in apartments, I often would fool myself into thinking I needed greenery so would get a bonsai...  The amount of those that died in my hands!   That's why I'm so wary of pots - all my stuff are in some version of wicking tech now. 

Comment by Elaine de Saxe on April 29, 2015 at 15:47

What does penjing mean Florence? Google translate tells me it means 'penjing'. Very helpful!

If you read Daley's information, they reckon to re-pot fruit trees every 2 years including both foliage and root pruning. As best I know, that will make the tree smaller over time. It is really the Bonsai technique on a larger scale. Personally I cannot see the point of it.

It suits me to use 200L pots and top up the mix and compost each year with some liquid feeds inbetween. The pots are not at all beautiful and for someone with garden design ideas probably would not suit.

Comment by Florence on April 29, 2015 at 13:28

For the reason of lack of space, I have been exploring bonsai / penjing techniques (mostly reading not so much doing yet..)  Virtually everything can be kept in pots of various sizes, it's just more work... people have dug up old peaches, apples, pears etc from old orchards and successfully bonsai them.  Although it would mean you'll have smaller trees with less produce too.  Pomegrante, peaches, and citrus has been bansai-ed for hundreds if not thousands of years.  I have seen pictures of potted Apple trees with lots of full size apples on them, and saw photos of people's mango bonsai producing fruits on an Aussie bonsai forum, so I'm really hopeful that it'll work for me :)

I have also seen a very tiny crabapple tree with a crabapple on it at a bonsai show in Brissy... the tree was tiny....

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